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Post by joepublic on Jun 10, 2011 10:54:54 GMT
I don't live in Castletown but I occasionaly walk in the woods and don't like the mess of litter and OPW won't let us clean it up as their insurance wouldn't cover it. If you have a better way of keeping it clean and safe from unsocial behaviour then I'm all ears.
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Post by Eddie on Jun 10, 2011 11:11:41 GMT
I'm sorry Joepublic don't know where you are coming from.The Opw don't own the land , the residents of Castletown Estate do.It has always been acknowledged by all sides that this is the public open space for the estate.If you have previously asked can you clean up the woods and were told insurance does not cover you i can tell you now and i am 100% sure of this that that is the biggest load of rubbish i have heard.
And again i put to you that this fence is not going to stop any antisocial behaviour.If they don't cut a hole in it they will just climb over it.
Come on Joepublic , i am starting to think you work for the OPW or the KCC.
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Post by Queenie on Jun 10, 2011 11:16:13 GMT
How on earth do the residents of a housing estate own the lands of Castletown? don't lose the run of yourselves for Gods sake.. The OPW owns it, you all have the use of it.. If it's on the deeds of your house fair enough, but I'm betting it isn't.. The lands of Castletown House were there for public use long before Castletown Estate was built.
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Post by Eddie on Jun 10, 2011 11:35:39 GMT
Go do your homework Planning and development Regulations 2001 state
"4.2 Taking Estates in Charge Once the estate is in charge it will be a matter for the residents of the estate to organise and arrange for the management and maintenance of the public open spaces in the estate.
This would also knock joepublics theory of OPW insurance on the head.
If they expect us to maintain it then they are saying we own it.Yes the maintainence would be an issue but i know that there are so many people with so much passion for it that it would only take 1 strong minded person to get people on board and solve the maintainence issues something i know the CRA were looking into.
Then go back to the original planning for the estate in 1977 where the wooded area (not the lands of castletown) is classed as the public open space for the estate.Do you actually know what area this Fencing is in relation to.
I know people have opinions and of course that is there right but this is a very big concern to alot of peolpe and if someone feels they would like to comment on it maybe they should take time out first and do their homework because some of the comments been made are untrue and certainly not factual.
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Post by castletown on Jun 10, 2011 12:30:29 GMT
Re: estate , Land Transfer & F For what it is worth, having read all of the above it is my understanding that on all sides some of the statements above are in correct.
Castletown Housing estate was built by Castletown Homes or Janus securities, owned by a Mr. Rhatighan. He was also the owner of most of the lands to the rear of the House including a section of woodland backing on to Housing Estate.
The OPW do not own any of this land so it is incorrect to think of it as OPW land because it simply isn't. Any visit to the land registry would verify this.
When the Housing Estate was handed over by the developer to the council, the developer included a large section of the woods that backed onto the Housing Estate, in the taking in charge, in 2006 approx.
At this point this wooded area, now proposed for fencing, became designated as the open green space of the Housing Estate. Again nothing to do with the OPW.
From the time the estate was taken in charge 2006 / 07 the woods became the responsibility of KCC.
KCC have no way of managing the woods and so it appeared logical to see if the OPW might maintain it, as it would have been part of the original demesne land as was the Housing Estate.
The OPW would be happy to maintain the area but will only do so if it can be secured. However it may now be that the OPW don't have monies for the security required to police the woods and they may no longer be interested in having the woods put into their care.
KCC definitely don't want the responsibility,
So in summary, the woods have been designated the open green space of the Housing Estate since 2006 or 2007, when the estate was taken in charge. They are in the ownership of KCC and were in private ownership of Mr. Rhatighan prior to 2006.
Joe, if anybody wants to put together a plan to manage the litter etc they should apply to KCC or talk with CRA as it is not under the remit of the OPW to authorize any clean up in the woods
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Post by joepublic on Jun 10, 2011 14:05:22 GMT
Mr. Rhatighan was supposed to be transferring the lands to OPW, is this still happening.
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Post by Eddie on Jun 10, 2011 14:49:37 GMT
Hi Joe
Supposed to be is huge because it is hearsay and has been for years. I, most probably like yourself have heard that numerous times over the years and i mean last 10 years or more not just 1 or 2 but there is no evidence to back that up.
But the facts are simple even if he does transfer land over to the OPW he cannot transfer the woods because it is not his either to transfer.As stated previously it is the public open space for the estate and therefore cannot be taken away.
However if supposed to be turned to reality then the OPW would be more keen to get there hands on the woods because then it would mean they could completely shut us out.
By the way if my comments earlier came across as rude or abrupt having done so much research into this it gets very frustrating then to read comments that develop from hearsay as if i was to post all i have heard well then move out of castletown because they want the whole estate.
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Post by Eddie on Jun 10, 2011 15:08:47 GMT
By the way for those not in favour of the fencing is the CRA acting on the case. I know we all need to put in submissions but is there going to be a CRA submission or a petition or something that we can all sign.
Would like to think that the EGM we all went to was not a waste of time.
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Post by castletown on Jun 10, 2011 15:24:18 GMT
Joe, as I have said the current situation is that Rhatighan handed the Castletown woods over to the council in 2006 or 2007. So it is no longer his to give to the OPW.
Joe there is also a section of the woods that extends up to crodaun. This section of the woods were owned by coillte , but are now under the ownership of the OPW
Regarding other lands in Rhatighan's ownership , for example the field at the rear of the house, for many years there have been attempts made to get him to give this land to the OPW , this saga continues and will probably continue for many more years. I think that a land swap would be the best way, as the field at the back of the house is worthless to any developer, but very useful to the OPW and their tourism plans.
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Post by seventwo on Jun 10, 2011 16:10:05 GMT
By the way for those not in favour of the fencing is the CRA acting on the case. I know we all need to put in submissions but is there going to be a CRA submission or a petition or something that we can all sign. Would like to think that the EGM we all went to was not a waste of time. Eddie I have just checked the CRA website no update there yet. But given the response at the EGM and the number of signatures previously collected I am hopeful like you that it has not been a waste of time.
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Post by castletown on Jun 10, 2011 17:31:07 GMT
Eddie,If you go onto the CRA website you will find the names of the people who are dealing with this on behalf of CRA. Maybe you should contact one of them if you wish to know what they intend to do about the issue.
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Post by Eddie on Jun 23, 2011 10:59:29 GMT
Got a Leaflet in the door at the weekend with a sample of a submission on the reverse and it also states that the CRA would be calling looking for signatures. Did anyone see this leaflet.
Picture is lovely where was that taken?
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Post by mrangry on Jun 27, 2011 21:06:44 GMT
The CRA were just around with their petition.
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