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Post by Queenie on Nov 9, 2012 17:41:02 GMT
Not everything can be sugar coated Vanessa.. the childrens referendum is the name of the thread.. The government is trying to Guilt trip people into voting yes... do you love children? yes, then you'll vote yes.. I love children, I know many people who love children, I don't want to see children hurt, abused or mistreated. that doesn't mean I'm going to vote yes though. AG being a he was a typo.. and I honestly don't know what Frances Fitzgerald being a mother of three has got to do with anything.. does that mean she can speak for all children, and a social worker wow.. Sorry, doesn't mean a thing.. I don't have a lot of time for Social workers.
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Post by April on Nov 9, 2012 20:39:51 GMT
well said localy... queenie.... i couldnt have put it better myself....
From April 2010 to April 2011 twenty-seven children died in state care..... need i say any more....
114 went missing whilst in state care..... now does this give anyone any comfort? how can they say some parents are failing in their duty of care when they fail themselves.....
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Post by joepublic on Nov 9, 2012 21:41:58 GMT
The state recognises the rights of all children... what rights? we are not told. Who will decide on these rights? the state.. parents will have no say, so it will deprive the parents of the right to protect their children from danger. In cases where the parents fail in their duty to protect their children, the state will try to take the place of the parents!!!!! The lack of clarity in all this is deliberate, it means a social worker can invade any home at any time with total authority and remove a child for it's own welfare, with full state backing.. Considering all the past examples of State care, I think I'll pass thank you. That's the kinda stuff the Alive magazine is saying.
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Post by Queenie on Nov 9, 2012 21:51:46 GMT
Ah would you stop Joe. I actually never heard of Alive magazine til you put up that page with that awful story about Maria Goretti..
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Post by joepublic on Nov 9, 2012 21:55:48 GMT
well said localy... queenie.... i couldnt have put it better myself.... From April 2010 to April 2011 twenty-seven children died in state care..... need i say any more.... 114 went missing whilst in state care..... now does this give anyone any comfort? how can they say some parents are failing in their duty of care when they fail themselves..... I don't think these figures mean anything without something to compare them to. Children that are in state care usually have come from very difficult circumsances so you'd expect a high proportion of problems.
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Post by joepublic on Nov 9, 2012 21:58:35 GMT
Ah would you stop Joe. I actually never heard of Alive magazine til you put up that page with that awful story about Maria Goretti.. No, eff80 put up that story. I was just stating the obvious simularities.
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Post by eff80 on Nov 9, 2012 23:53:25 GMT
Queenie. I put up that story from Alive. If you havn't come across it , you are lucky. It's a disgraceful, lying, rag. What you are saying is nothing more than groundless scaremongering. As for your question " can I prove the AG is not a dishonest crook?" You must be incredibly naive or very, very stupid to put such a line in a public forum. I think you will find, when you end up in court, that the burden of proof is with you and your spurious assertion. (On this I must show my hand...my other half is a very experienced lawyer).......
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Post by April on Nov 10, 2012 15:44:34 GMT
well said localy... queenie.... i couldnt have put it better myself.... From April 2010 to April 2011 twenty-seven children died in state care..... need i say any more.... 114 went missing whilst in state care..... now does this give anyone any comfort? how can they say some parents are failing in their duty of care when they fail themselves..... I don't think these figures mean anything without something to compare them to. Children that are in state care usually have come from very difficult circumsances so you'd expect a high proportion of problems. facts are facts..... these are childrens lives we are talking about.... 27 children dead in state care... doesnt matter what their backgrounds were the still died whilst in state care....
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Post by April on Nov 10, 2012 15:45:08 GMT
can anyone tell me if it is legal for a politician to canvas on Polling day.....?
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Post by Queenie on Nov 10, 2012 20:53:00 GMT
I never wrote a word about the Attorney General eff80.. you attempted to single out one person and put words in my mouth so to speak.. I said most of our government cabinet are crooks, and while I can't prove it, it was not meant in a literal sense.. but when you say these things everyone knows what you mean.. but there'll always be one pedantic person who wants to prove they know it all and their side is the only one that counts... Sorry this is still a democracy.. I have an opinion, it may not be your opinion, but that's what makes life interesting.. we all differ... I don't consider myself a scaremongerer, you obviously do.. that's fine.. I've removed what you think I said, even tho' I've removed it from your posting, not mine. I would not call any one person names, I'm not that foolish..
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Post by April on Nov 10, 2012 22:15:19 GMT
relax eff80.... we are all friends here... it is a democracy, we all have our say.. sometimes things get heated but at the end of the day we dont make things personal.
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Post by eff80 on Nov 11, 2012 0:19:32 GMT
Queenie, I quote "Every last one of them are lying thieving crooks to the very core.." ..not some as you say. Rational debate does not include histrionics, as per the example above. I would also say that quote comes under the auspices of calling people names. I don't give a fiddlers feck if you think I'm pedantic. Mainly because I am. If you want to speak figuratively then don't put defamatory comments up. Check out the main boards website and see how long you'd last before being banned. April, I will not relax. Like you say, everyone has their say. Also, it is not legal for anyone to canvass on polling day or the 24 hrs before.
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Post by April on Nov 11, 2012 17:09:02 GMT
ahhh eff80 things are more relaxed here than on Boards... we all can have our say without too much interference from the Administer.....
On the question I asked about the canvassing on polling day... i was approached by Leo Varadkar outside Tesco in Blanchardstown asking me if I was going to vote and his "helper" held out a leaflet with YES vote on it.... I explained that yes I was voting and No thanks I would not be voting yes.... Im sick of the government doing what they want whatever the rules...it was my impression that there was no canvassing on polling day..... I didnt see any no literature or posters around... If the No vote had won I bet the government would have had a 2nd referendum just so that they could get their way.....
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Post by eff80 on Nov 11, 2012 21:27:49 GMT
Ok I possibly stand corrected on the canvassing issue.
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Post by vanessa on Nov 12, 2012 13:17:31 GMT
ahhh eff80 things are more relaxed here than on Boards... we all can have our say without too much interference from the Administer..... On the question I asked about the canvassing on polling day... i was approached by Leo Varadkar outside Tesco in Blanchardstown asking me if I was going to vote and his "helper" held out a leaflet with YES vote on it.... I explained that yes I was voting and No thanks I would not be voting yes.... Im sick of the government doing what they want whatever the rules...it was my impression that there was no canvassing on polling day..... I didnt see any no literature or posters around... If the No vote had won I bet the government would have had a 2nd referendum just so that they could get their way..... On a more general note they are arrogant aren't they. Actually I mentioned that to Anthony Lyons (Fine Gael) during one of his 'walkabouts' in our estate recently. They are walking 'roughshod' over peoples rights. ie household tax, water charges, property tax, its the threats, and consequences of not paying that I object to, not the application to such charges.
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