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Post by chewchew on Aug 6, 2009 20:45:42 GMT
Naive, I assure you not as you nor anyone else on this forum knows anything about me. Silly, to fit with the standard of some posts.
The trusth is, regardless of whether this is a travelling rapist or whatever he still deserves a second chance and who are any of us to stand in his way of trying to turn a leaf and become a better person and live a better life!
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Post by Queenie on Aug 6, 2009 21:00:49 GMT
A rapist may turn over a new leaf but a traveller rarely will.. I speak from experience of three different traveller families I let my home out to.. We can no longer get insurance for the house because of the claims we've had to make. These people have no consideration for anyone, they get free bins, but won't use them, they get full rent allowance, the last lot in the house were in it one day when they broke the washing machine, they left after three months, we are still cleaning three weeks on, smashed chairs, shores blocked with engine oil, beds broken, armchairs stained with a substance I don't care to name. Walls damaged, door handles broken off, if my dog did what they did to the bathroom floor he'd be in the vets still. I could go on and on and on. That's just one family of them, plus they left quite an arsenal of weapons behind, and lets face it, they fight, a lot, loudly... No chew chew, they can live anywhere bar near me.. We are selling our house now, because we could not go through all that rubbish again, and travellers are the only ones answering the ads.. I'd hand it over to the bank before I'd let one of them across my doorstep ever again.
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Post by mystica1 on Aug 7, 2009 12:57:18 GMT
People have been stigmatised for years. We live in a selfish society, that's the way it is, unfortunately.. But, mr angry has a point, if I have saved and worked hard to pay a mortgage and look after my children and try to bring them up decently, I would find it galling for the council to buy the house next to me and put a family in there, the head of the family being a rapist, a traveller who has not paid a tax in his life, and then they proceed to have child after child at the cost of me and everyone else, then yes, I selfishly don't want that.. I think it is wrong. It gives out the message that you don't need to work, pay taxes and take responsibility for yourself or your family, let society do it. Well Said Localyokel !!! I agree 100% .. I feel the same about a council's house next to me .. I go out to work every morning .. the people next door are still asleep .. I go to work to pay my mortgage .. And my taxes .. which go to paying for them to stay in bed & make a general racket next door !! I have noticed they don't even pay tax on their 2008 reg car !! Damn that pisses me off !! But now I hear I am also paying my taxes to house rapists in our community !! Something has to be done about this .. bloody politically over-correct do-gooders have us in this position in Ireland ! |
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Post by sugarloves on Aug 7, 2009 14:38:35 GMT
scarey stuff..................
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Post by thorninside on Aug 7, 2009 16:20:34 GMT
"regardless of whether this is a travelling rapist or whatever he still deserves a second chance and who are any of us to stand in his way of trying to turn a leaf and become a better person and live a better life!"
Well, first of all, you're right in that we dont know you, HOWEVER, using this logic, it seems that not only would you be willing to give him a second chance you would be ok with a rapist who attacked one of your children to be placed living next door to you! Or do the dynamics of your argument change when it becomes personal?
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Post by chewchew on Aug 7, 2009 18:00:50 GMT
I dont know what point it is exactly that you are trying to make here? look, I'll put it this way ok. I've been very fortunate that I have never been a victim of rape or any kind of sexual abuse ok but I do know 3, yes 3, people who have not been so fortunate. I am very well aware and educated when it comes to these predators ok but you know what? I'm the kind of person who does no believe in giving people a second chance. A third chance, rarely. but you have to be realistic here and get over the fact that right, itinerants may not be the most desirable of people if you have had a bad experience with them. But your average joe soap next door neighbour might be just as bad, if not worse.
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Post by gnimelf on Aug 7, 2009 22:14:20 GMT
Ah Chew. Methinks you display an incredible naivety with regard to travellers/joe soap next door. How many Joe soaps do you know that trash their homes (that they have not paid for), strew rubbish in the garden, deal drugs, marry cousins, bring children up in inhumane conditions, treat animals appallingly, thieve, have vicious armed fights (regularly), pay no tax ........................... I'm generally a fair person but where travellers are concerrned, I give no quarter. In my opinion the so called traveller culture is a misnomer. Travellers they may be but a culture they have not. It is an excuse to be lawless, disrespect private property and generally eschew the norms of civilised society.
Rant over and apologies in advance if this offends anyone but I speak from considerable experience.
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Post by chewchew on Aug 7, 2009 22:25:02 GMT
Gorugeen, don't ''ah chew'' me and I would appreciate if you and everyone else here would stop calling me naive. I can assure you I am far from it. ok. how do you know that there are people on here who are not travellers or from the travelling community? how do you know that I am not?
With regrds to the above statement you just made about travellers doing this, that and the other? Do you think that the non travelling community DO NOT do this? so you can shove that remark right where the sun dont effin shine love!! what a load of brat!!!
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Post by joepublic on Aug 7, 2009 23:04:28 GMT
ah Chew don't be so touchy
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Post by gnimelf on Aug 7, 2009 23:42:04 GMT
Chew, what you seem to miss is that the proportion of the traveller community that engages in what I mentioned above is vastly higher than that of the non-traveller population. I made the point in response to your comment regarding travellers/joe soap next door. As for the above mentioned being a load of brat, I suggest you get yourself a hold of the relevant crime statistics. Makes for very interesting reading.
As for whether there are travellers on here or not; I do not give a rubbish. I stand by what I said and have done so in person on more than one occasion.
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Post by marie on Aug 8, 2009 9:16:24 GMT
The main reason that I object to the proposed new occupants of the house across the road from me was because the husband is a sex offender, not that they were travellers. Recently, I had dealings with a normal 'Joe Soap' on a nearby estate when I had to take my son around to collect some casual wages he was due - and I never came across such obnoxious, ignorant, abusive and in the wife's case - probably half mad- people! So I suppose you never can tell who your neighbour is! There are quite a few settled travellers on my estate - and while its not ideal - they are not the worst. It is a right nuisance though when they get van loads of visitors who just let their kids loose to roam where they please. I've had several confrontations with them while I demand that they return the ball, bike, scooter, etc - or to get out of our garden when I find a gang of them on the swings etc at the side of our house. But I am afraid of having a known sex offender living near me. (But I still don't think I would like to swap houses with the neighbours of the 'joe soap' I recently met!!)
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Post by gnimelf on Aug 8, 2009 14:12:31 GMT
Marie if you and your neighbours make it known that you aware of this mans past then he is a damn sight more likely to refrain from returning to his past ways (at least where you live). I sympathise with you.
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Post by marie on Aug 8, 2009 14:45:31 GMT
Marie if you and your neighbours make it known that you aware of this mans past then he is a damn sight more likely to refrain from returning to his past ways (at least where you live). I sympathise with you. You're probably right! I expect that is what we will have to do - because when it comes down to it they will end up being housed somewhere - and they have their 'foot in the door' here, so I can't see the council listening to us - and then starting the battle all over again somewhere else! Letting them know that we are aware of their background is probably the safest option. |
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Post by thorninside on Aug 8, 2009 17:33:03 GMT
while we're on the subject is 'giving a second chance' a philosophy we should apply to all criminals or just rapists? I'm pretty sure this argument was put forward just for arguments sake but on the off chance that the poster actually does believe in giving them a second chance then i think 'naive' is understatement of the year. In fact going back some time ago to a post entitled 'beggars' it seems chew chews comments about beggars compared to the comments made in this post about rapists would indicate that she favours rapists over beggars. Beggars belief if you ask me.
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Post by chewchew on Aug 8, 2009 19:32:40 GMT
oh dear. Here. We. Go. Again.
Thorny, different threads yeah? lets stick to the one on hand.
If you fancy it, take a look back to the very start of this topic. You will see that I told Marie I agreed with her, but I was putting forward the other arguement as i was siding with her (which is fair enough) but we all know there are always 2 sides to a story!
Now, if we cant play nicely here I will have absolutely no problem in the world locking this thread. ;D lets all have a nice day then!
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